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The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly – Ep 20: Shafie Apdal on Warisan’s vision for inclusive Malaysia post-GE15

Semporna incumbent shares thoughts on fallen Pakatan Harapan govt, party decision to run solo

Updated 3 years ago · Published on 02 Nov 2022 7:00AM

The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly – Ep 20: Shafie Apdal on Warisan’s vision for inclusive Malaysia post-GE15
Warisan president Datuk Seri Mohd Shafie Apdal stops by The Vibes’ offices for a chat on his dream of uniting Malaysians under one roof, among other topics. – NOOREEZA HASHIM/The Vibes pic, November 2, 2022

WARISAN president Datuk Seri Mohd Shafie Apdal was a young boy in 1962 and remembers clearly the day the Cobbold Commission came to his home town of Semporna, Sabah to ask if the people were agreeable to forming Malaysia. Flash forward to 60 years later and it seems that this partnership in nationhood has left Sabah and Sarawak far behind their “Keluarga Malaysia” in the peninsula. 

At the core of it, Shafie wants to unite everyone under one roof, but this is proving a challenge in multiracial and multicultural Malaysia, where certain groups demand privileges over others, and as the federal government continues to exploit the rich natural resources of some states without giving back to impoverished local communities.

(From left to right) Warisan president Datuk Seri Mohd Shafie Apdal, The Vibes’ culture & lifestyle editor Shazmin Shamsuddin, PETRA News editor-in-chief Terence Fernandez, and PETRA News chief executive Datuk Zainul Arifin Mohammed Isa record an episode of The Vibes’ podcast, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. – NOOREEZA HASHIM/The Vibes pic, November 2, 2022
(From left to right) Warisan president Datuk Seri Mohd Shafie Apdal, The Vibes’ culture & lifestyle editor Shazmin Shamsuddin, PETRA News editor-in-chief Terence Fernandez, and PETRA News chief executive Datuk Zainul Arifin Mohammed Isa record an episode of The Vibes’ podcast, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. – NOOREEZA HASHIM/The Vibes pic, November 2, 2022

In the previous general election, Malaysians from all walks of life – whether at home or abroad – made the dedicated effort to remove the Barisan Nasional government, which had ruled for over six decades.

The Pakatan Harapan coalition was united in that endeavour – but this odd marriage of historical political rivals ultimately proved to be an alliance that could not hold firm.

What did Shafie really think of this coalition?

When Warisan joined Pakatan Harapan in 2018, he saw that the old culture of racial politics was still alive and well, even in this so-called multiracial coalition. While he acknowledges that nothing can be done overnight, a truly multicultural leadership (and government) needs to start somewhere. 

Why is Warisan venturing into Peninsular Malaysia?

The wind coming from the east is essential now. It is timely. Because since independence, the wind coming from the west, entering Sarawak, going to Sabah, trying to inculcate that sort of values, moulding the minds of the people like Umno culture, PAS culture – it doesn’t blend well into the fabric of society where we can mingle well and freely.”

What is Warisan’s ideology and strategy as it looks to contest alone in Peninsular Malaysia? 

Warisan president Datuk Seri Mohd Shafie Apdal says forging unity in multiracial and multicultural Malaysia has proven a challenge. – NOOREEZA HASHIM/The Vibes pic, November 2, 2022
Warisan president Datuk Seri Mohd Shafie Apdal says forging unity in multiracial and multicultural Malaysia has proven a challenge. – NOOREEZA HASHIM/The Vibes pic, November 2, 2022

With a coalition government a possibility in the near future, how open is Warisan to being a part of this administration? 

Can mindsets be reset? Are inclusiveness, access for all to education, health, modern infrastructure, and social fairness too much to ask for?

What are Warisan’s expectations in this election?

Can Sabah lead the way for a fair and progressive Malaysia for all? – The Vibes, November 2, 2022

Warisan president Datuk Seri Mohd Shafie Apdal (left) chats with the editor-in-chief of PETRA News, Terence Fernandez. – NOOREEZA HASHIM/The Vibes pic, November 2, 2022
Warisan president Datuk Seri Mohd Shafie Apdal (left) chats with the editor-in-chief of PETRA News, Terence Fernandez. – NOOREEZA HASHIM/The Vibes pic, November 2, 2022

Presented by PETRA News chief executive Datuk Zainul Arifin Mohammed Isa, executive director Datuk Ahirudin Attan (better known as Rocky Bru) and editor-in-chief Terence Fernandez

Produced by Shazmin Shamsuddin and sound engineered by Ethan Phoon

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